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[I] Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299575] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 14:25
Torak  
Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)

Basically, my paternal grandmother died about twenty-five minutes ago,
and had a rather extensive set of antibiotic-resistant infections. So
everyone who's been in contact with her has to wash thoroughly after
seeing her, and having doubts about the hygiene of certain individuals
who will remain nameless, I'm not entirely sure that it's wise to risk
bringing that infection back to Mormor in Sweden, who's already a bit
frail.

So does anyone know? What's the
bacteria/bacillus/virus/creepyslimybuzzything? What does it do? Would
it be a bad thing to waft at an octagenarian with a chemically weakened
immune system?

Need to figure out whether it's worth taking the risk of attending the
funeral or not, y'see - respect for the dead is all well and good, but
the living need more respect. If it poses any risk at all, however
slight, it's not worth the risk just to please a few relatives.
Re: [I] Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299585 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 14:53
Diane L  
Torak wrote:
> Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
> spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)

<snip>

Clostridium difficile?

Try this http://www.amm.co.uk/newamm/files/factsabout/fa_cdiff.htm

Diane L.
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299586 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 15:00
Torak  
Diane L wrote:
> Torak wrote:
> > Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
> > spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)
>
> <snip>
>
> Clostridium difficile?

Yup, that's the one - Mamma just found a doc who could spell it. ;-)

> Try this http://www.amm.co.uk/newamm/files/factsabout/fa_cdiff.htm

Thanks - I'll check that.
Re: [I] Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299590 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 15:11
Arthur Hagen  
Torak <awmperry [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
> spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)
>
> Basically, my paternal grandmother died about twenty-five minutes ago,

My condolences.

> and had a rather extensive set of antibiotic-resistant infections. So
> everyone who's been in contact with her has to wash thoroughly after
> seeing her, and having doubts about the hygiene of certain individuals
> who will remain nameless, I'm not entirely sure that it's wise to risk
> bringing that infection back to Mormor in Sweden, who's already a bit
> frail.
>
> So does anyone know? What's the
> bacteria/bacillus/virus/creepyslimybuzzything? What does it do? Would
> it be a bad thing to waft at an octagenarian with a chemically
> weakened immune system?

I believe it's the fancy name for hospital diarrhea - an infection that is
one of the leading causes of death among old hospitalised people, but
relatively harmless to younger healthier people (else the doctors and nurses
would buy the farm too).

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299593 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 15:03
esmi  
on 14/07/2006 13:25 Torak said the following:
> Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
> spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)

Clostridium Difficile?

http://www.aboutibs.org/Publications/CDifficile.html

<snip>

> So does anyone know? What's the
> bacteria/bacillus/virus/creepyslimybuzzything?

It's one of the bugs that tends to hang around hospitals and cause diarrhea.

> Would
> it be a bad thing to waft at an octagenarian with a chemically weakened
> immune system?

Any bug would be. Unfortunately, hopitals are full of sick and/or
infected people, so bugs like this aren't uncommon and the elderly are
most at risk. The fact that your grandmother had, presumably, been on a
whole range of antibiotics won't have helped either as ti appears to be
eaxctly the kind of opportunistic environment where C.Difficile thrives.
Treatment often involves stopping all antibiotics if this is possible.

> Need to figure out whether it's worth taking the risk of attending the
> funeral or not, y'see - respect for the dead is all well and good, but
> the living need more respect. If it poses any risk at all, however
> slight, it's not worth the risk just to please a few relatives.

I wouldn't have thought it was a problem providing you follow normal
hygiene procedures.

HTH
--
esmi

A Brief Guide to alt.fan.pratchett:
http://www.blackwidows.co.uk/afp-guide/
Re: [I] Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299594 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 15:17
Peter Ellis  
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Torak wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
> spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)

Clostridium difficile is a bacterium that colonises the large intestine.
Some small percentage of the population carries the bug naturally, however
there are some strains which also produce toxins. It is naturally
resistant to many antibiotics.

Generally it isn't a problem, however if a patient has been on strong
antibiotics which kill off the normal gut flora, you can get overgrowth of
C. difficile. This (especially the toxin-carrying strains) leads to
pseudomembranous colitis. Extreme shits, basically.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostridium_difficile

I don't see any risk arising from you going to the funeral though. If I
understand you right, you're worried about some unnamed person having
picked up the bug from your grandma (unlikely if they're hygienic), then
you picking it up from them (very unlikely as eve if they're contaminated
they're not going to get a full-blown infection), and then you passing
that on to your other grandma (unlikely if you're hygienic).

Peter
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299605 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 16:16
Torak  
Peter Ellis wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Torak wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
> > spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)
<snip>
> I don't see any risk arising from you going to the funeral though. If I
> understand you right, you're worried about some unnamed person having
> picked up the bug from your grandma (unlikely if they're hygienic), then
> you picking it up from them (very unlikely as eve if they're contaminated
> they're not going to get a full-blown infection), and then you passing
> that on to your other grandma (unlikely if you're hygienic).

Basically, given that - how shall I put this - certain components of
that side of the family have a somewhat casual relationship with
washing, I'm not in the least convinced that they'll actually remove
the bacteria and spores. I'm particularly concerned since I'm going to
be up in Sweden with Mormor - who's been on antibiotics and
immunosuppressants for a while now - just a few days afterwards.

I mean, much as I'd like to pay my respects (although I hate funerals -
I barely plan on attending my own), I don't think it's worth the risk
to Mormor just for the sake of consoling the relatives. Would a nice
bunch of Gran's favourite flowers and a card be appropriate instead?
Re: [I] Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299620 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 18:31
Clare  
Torak wrote:

> Peter Ellis wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Torak wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
> > > spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)
> <snip>
> > I don't see any risk arising from you going to the funeral though. If I
> > understand you right, you're worried about some unnamed person having
> > picked up the bug from your grandma (unlikely if they're hygienic), then
> > you picking it up from them (very unlikely as eve if they're contaminated
> > they're not going to get a full-blown infection), and then you passing
> > that on to your other grandma (unlikely if you're hygienic).
>
> Basically, given that - how shall I put this - certain components of
> that side of the family have a somewhat casual relationship with
> washing, I'm not in the least convinced that they'll actually remove
> the bacteria and spores. I'm particularly concerned since I'm going to
> be up in Sweden with Mormor - who's been on antibiotics and
> immunosuppressants for a while now - just a few days afterwards.
>
> I mean, much as I'd like to pay my respects (although I hate funerals -
> I barely plan on attending my own), I don't think it's worth the risk
> to Mormor just for the sake of consoling the relatives. Would a nice
> bunch of Gran's favourite flowers and a card be appropriate instead?

It sounds as if Mormor will be at more risk from your other relatives
than from you!

If you wash properly, you - and your Gran - should be fine. Elderly
people do a lot better health-wise when younger people visit them and
love them. Don't be put off visiting a sick Gran - just keep the Great
Unwashed away from her!
Re: [I] Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299666 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 23:00
sphira9343  
Torak wrote:

> Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
> spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)

As far as I know, it's an infection they've been trying to get rid of
from hospitals, which causes (among other things, probably) bad
diorrehoea. I may have spelled that wrongly. Extremely hard to kill
off, requiring steam-cleaning.

> Basically, my paternal grandmother died about twenty-five minutes ago,
> and had a rather extensive set of antibiotic-resistant infections.

I'm sorry to hear that *hug*

> So
> everyone who's been in contact with her has to wash thoroughly after
> seeing her, and having doubts about the hygiene of certain individuals
> who will remain nameless, I'm not entirely sure that it's wise to risk
> bringing that infection back to Mormor in Sweden, who's already a bit
> frail.

> So does anyone know? What's the
> bacteria/bacillus/virus/creepyslimybuzzything? What does it do? Would
> it be a bad thing to waft at an octagenarian with a chemically weakened
> immune system?

Well, it certainly wouldn't be ideal, especially if she's
immuno-suppressed.

> Need to figure out whether it's worth taking the risk of attending the
> funeral or not, y'see - respect for the dead is all well and good, but
> the living need more respect. If it poses any risk at all, however
> slight, it's not worth the risk just to please a few relatives.

Maybe it'd be a good idea to talk to your parents about this. And also
to someone in the know, like the doctors treating Mormor, for instance
- they'll be able to tell you how much risk this poses to her.
But generally, I agree with you - if there is a risk to her, then it's
not worth it.

CCA
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299706 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 03:14
Torak  
Clare wrote:
> Torak wrote:
> >
> > Basically, given that - how shall I put this - certain components of
> > that side of the family have a somewhat casual relationship with
> > washing, I'm not in the least convinced that they'll actually remove
> > the bacteria and spores. I'm particularly concerned since I'm going to
> > be up in Sweden with Mormor - who's been on antibiotics and
> > immunosuppressants for a while now - just a few days afterwards.
> >
> > I mean, much as I'd like to pay my respects (although I hate funerals -
> > I barely plan on attending my own), I don't think it's worth the risk
> > to Mormor just for the sake of consoling the relatives. Would a nice
> > bunch of Gran's favourite flowers and a card be appropriate instead?
>
> It sounds as if Mormor will be at more risk from your other relatives
> than from you!
>
> If you wash properly, you - and your Gran - should be fine. Elderly

Oh, Gran is just about as fine as is possible to be now - she's dead.
It's Mormor I'm worried about. (UK/paternal side is Gran,
Swedish/maternal side is Mormor. It gets complicated.)

> people do a lot better health-wise when younger people visit them and
> love them. Don't be put off visiting a sick Gran - just keep the Great
> Unwashed away from her!

Heh, I'm absolutely not about to put off going back to Sweden. It's the
funeral in London I'm avoiding like - hah - the plague. I'm not going
to put off the Sweden trip, so it seems rather silly to go down to the
funeral just to satisfy a bunch of relatives. Reckon a nice card and
some carefully-selected flowers should do instead.
Re: [I] Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299710 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 04:36
Stacie Hanes  
Torak wrote:
> Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
> spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)
>
> Basically, my paternal grandmother died about twenty-five minutes
> ago,

So sorry to hear it.
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299723 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 06:45
Lesley Weston  
in article 1152886587.454821.68250 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, Torak at
awmperry [at] gmail.com wrote on 14/07/2006 7:16 AM:

> Peter Ellis wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Torak wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
>>> spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)
> <snip>
>> I don't see any risk arising from you going to the funeral though. If I
>> understand you right, you're worried about some unnamed person having
>> picked up the bug from your grandma (unlikely if they're hygienic), then
>> you picking it up from them (very unlikely as eve if they're contaminated
>> they're not going to get a full-blown infection), and then you passing
>> that on to your other grandma (unlikely if you're hygienic).
>
> Basically, given that - how shall I put this - certain components of
> that side of the family have a somewhat casual relationship with
> washing, I'm not in the least convinced that they'll actually remove
> the bacteria and spores. I'm particularly concerned since I'm going to
> be up in Sweden with Mormor - who's been on antibiotics and
> immunosuppressants for a while now - just a few days afterwards.

Even if the risk is slight, it seems wiser not to take it, IMO.
>
> I mean, much as I'd like to pay my respects (although I hate funerals -
> I barely plan on attending my own),

I've given instructions to everybody who might need them that on no account
am I to have a funeral - just get rid of the waste in whatever way causes
the least trouble, since I will no longer exist to know or care about it.

> I don't think it's worth the risk
> to Mormor just for the sake of consoling the relatives. Would a nice
> bunch of Gran's favourite flowers and a card be appropriate instead?
>
That seems reasonable. She would surely understand, especially if you write
something nice and quite long in the card.

I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299740 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 10:48
jester  
On 14 Jul 2006 18:14:30 -0700, Torak
<awmperry [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Heh, I'm absolutely not about to put off going back to Sweden. It's the
>funeral in London I'm avoiding like - hah - the plague. I'm not going
>to put off the Sweden trip, so it seems rather silly to go down to the
>funeral just to satisfy a bunch of relatives. Reckon a nice card and
>some carefully-selected flowers should do instead.

Are you planning on washing between the funeral and the flight?
From what a few people have said it sounds like *you* taking normal
hygenic actions should be enough to avoid problems.
It sounds more like you just want an excuse not to go to the funeral (and
seeing as I do my best to avoid funerals, I don't blame you).

--
Andy Brown
Alliance, n.:
In international politics, the union of two thieves who have
their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pocket that they cannot
separately plunder a third. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
Re:[I] Funerals, was Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299746 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 11:43
Diane L  
Lesley Weston wrote:

<snip>
> I've given instructions to everybody who might need them that on no
> account am I to have a funeral - just get rid of the waste in
> whatever way causes the least trouble, since I will no longer exist
> to know or care about it.

But funerals are for the living, not for the dead. Of course, you know
your own family best, but are you sure they wouldn't prefer to have
a formal way of saying goodbye and of celebrating your life?

Sometimes, people state preferences for after their deaths that make
them feel better but aren't ideal for the ones they leave behind. My
stepfather, for example, is adament that he wants everyone to be
happy at his funeral, which seems to me to be placing unreasonable
expectations on the rest of us. I like him, I'll be very sad when he
dies (which I have no reason to believe won't be a long time in the
future) so I'd be feeling even worse at his funeral because I won't
be respecting his wishes.

Diane L.
Re: Re:[I] Funerals, was Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299773 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 16:15
Torak  
Diane L wrote:
> Lesley Weston wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > I've given instructions to everybody who might need them that on no
> > account am I to have a funeral - just get rid of the waste in
> > whatever way causes the least trouble, since I will no longer exist
> > to know or care about it.
>
> But funerals are for the living, not for the dead. Of course, you know
> your own family best, but are you sure they wouldn't prefer to have
> a formal way of saying goodbye and of celebrating your life?
>
> Sometimes, people state preferences for after their deaths that make
> them feel better but aren't ideal for the ones they leave behind. My
> stepfather, for example, is adament that he wants everyone to be
> happy at his funeral, which seems to me to be placing unreasonable
> expectations on the rest of us. I like him, I'll be very sad when he
> dies (which I have no reason to believe won't be a long time in the
> future) so I'd be feeling even worse at his funeral because I won't
> be respecting his wishes.

I tell everyone who'll listen that I want a proper New Orleans funeral,
with jazz bands and second-liners. And some decent entertainment, on
the grounds that people will need cheering up.

In fact, I'm considering having my funeral a few years early, so I
don't miss the party.
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299774 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 16:18
Torak  
Lesley Weston wrote:
> in article 1152886587.454821.68250 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, Torak at
> >
> > Basically, given that - how shall I put this - certain components of
> > that side of the family have a somewhat casual relationship with
> > washing, I'm not in the least convinced that they'll actually remove
> > the bacteria and spores. I'm particularly concerned since I'm going to
> > be up in Sweden with Mormor - who's been on antibiotics and
> > immunosuppressants for a while now - just a few days afterwards.
>
> Even if the risk is slight, it seems wiser not to take it, IMO.

My thoughts exactly. Dad thinks I'm being silly, but he also thinks I'm
being silly when I, say, use warm water and soap to wash my hands. And
Mormor, with the immunosuppressants and antibiotics, is on exactly the
kind of chemical diet that C Diff likes.

> > I don't think it's worth the risk
> > to Mormor just for the sake of consoling the relatives. Would a nice
> > bunch of Gran's favourite flowers and a card be appropriate instead?
> >
> That seems reasonable. She would surely understand, especially if you write
> something nice and quite long in the card.

Oh, I have no doubt that she would understand. Besides, I think she's
past caring at this stage.

> I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather.

Well, he's fairly upset, but I think he'll pull through. He was
apparently quite upset that he wasn't with her at the hospital when she
died.
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299788 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 18:51
Eric Jarvis  
jester usenet [at] jester.nu wrote in <slrnebhav2.ggn.usenet [at] angel.jester.nu>:
> On 14 Jul 2006 18:14:30 -0700, Torak
> <awmperry [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Heh, I'm absolutely not about to put off going back to Sweden. It's the
> >funeral in London I'm avoiding like - hah - the plague. I'm not going
> >to put off the Sweden trip, so it seems rather silly to go down to the
> >funeral just to satisfy a bunch of relatives. Reckon a nice card and
> >some carefully-selected flowers should do instead.
>
> Are you planning on washing between the funeral and the flight?
> From what a few people have said it sounds like *you* taking normal
> hygenic actions should be enough to avoid problems.
> It sounds more like you just want an excuse not to go to the funeral (and
> seeing as I do my best to avoid funerals, I don't blame you).
>

Funerals aren't pleasant, but by and large my experience is that they are
nonetheless worth going to if the deceased is somebody you cared about.
It's good to have a full stop at the end of a sentence.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299807 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 20:52
Aggie Angst  
Torak wrote:
> Peter Ellis wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Torak wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
>>> spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)
> <snip>
>> I don't see any risk arising from you going to the funeral though.
>> If I understand you right, you're worried about some unnamed person
>> having picked up the bug from your grandma (unlikely if they're
>> hygienic), then you picking it up from them (very unlikely as eve if
>> they're contaminated they're not going to get a full-blown
>> infection), and then you passing that on to your other grandma
>> (unlikely if you're hygienic).
>
> Basically, given that - how shall I put this - certain components of
> that side of the family have a somewhat casual relationship with
> washing, I'm not in the least convinced that they'll actually remove
> the bacteria and spores. I'm particularly concerned since I'm going to
> be up in Sweden with Mormor - who's been on antibiotics and
> immunosuppressants for a while now - just a few days afterwards.
>
> I mean, much as I'd like to pay my respects (although I hate funerals
> - I barely plan on attending my own), I don't think it's worth the
> risk to Mormor just for the sake of consoling the relatives. Would a
> nice bunch of Gran's favourite flowers and a card be appropriate
> instead?

I am sorry for your loss.
And yes funerals are a terrible way to spend your time.
If you really can't stand the thought of it, and you weren't really close to
the relative, why put yourself through it? I think Peter's right, you
really aren't at risk for catching or commuting anything, but if it's going
to be too much of a hardship to go, I wouldn't.

Aggie
Re: [I] Funerals, was Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299836 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 23:50
Lesley Weston  
in article 4hrrm8F10f52U1 [at] individual.net, Diane L at
dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com wrote on 15/07/2006 2:43 AM:

> Lesley Weston wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> I've given instructions to everybody who might need them that on no
>> account am I to have a funeral - just get rid of the waste in
>> whatever way causes the least trouble, since I will no longer exist
>> to know or care about it.
>
> But funerals are for the living, not for the dead. Of course, you know
> your own family best, but are you sure they wouldn't prefer to have
> a formal way of saying goodbye and of celebrating your life?

Well no, I'm not sure of course. But it seems likely that they will feel the
way I do about having to go to *anyone's* funeral, based on their reactions
to the few funerals they have been to. So the least I can do for them,
assuming they'll be sad, is not add further burdens for them such as
arranging a funeral.
>
> Sometimes, people state preferences for after their deaths that make
> them feel better but aren't ideal for the ones they leave behind. My
> stepfather, for example, is adament that he wants everyone to be
> happy at his funeral, which seems to me to be placing unreasonable
> expectations on the rest of us. I like him, I'll be very sad when he
> dies (which I have no reason to believe won't be a long time in the
> future) so I'd be feeling even worse at his funeral because I won't
> be respecting his wishes.

I agree that that is an unreasonable demand - my aim is to make no demands.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299841 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 01:31
Lesley Weston  
in article 1152973117.514211.111870 [at] s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, Torak at
awmperry [at] gmail.com wrote on 15/07/2006 7:18 AM:

> Lesley Weston wrote:
>> in article 1152886587.454821.68250 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, Torak at
>>>
<snip>

>>> I don't think it's worth the risk
>>> to Mormor just for the sake of consoling the relatives. Would a nice
>>> bunch of Gran's favourite flowers and a card be appropriate instead?
>>>
>> That seems reasonable. She would surely understand, especially if you write
>> something nice and quite long in the card.
>
> Oh, I have no doubt that she would understand. Besides, I think she's
> past caring at this stage.
>
>> I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather.
>
> Well, he's fairly upset, but I think he'll pull through. He was
> apparently quite upset that he wasn't with her at the hospital when she
> died.
>
Oh dear! I am so sorry; I'd just read the bit where someone confused your
Gran with your Mormor, so I got even more confused. What I actually mean, of
course, is that I think your grandfather would understand about the flowers
and the card, and that I am sorry to hear about your grandmother. I hope my
stupid mistake didn't cause you any distress.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I] Funerals, was Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299884 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 09:48
Diane L  
Lesley Weston wrote:
> in article 4hrrm8F10f52U1 [at] individual.net, Diane L at
> dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com wrote on 15/07/2006 2:43 AM:
>
>> Lesley Weston wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> I've given instructions to everybody who might need them that on no
>>> account am I to have a funeral - just get rid of the waste in
>>> whatever way causes the least trouble, since I will no longer exist
>>> to know or care about it.
>>
>> But funerals are for the living, not for the dead. Of course, you
>> know your own family best, but are you sure they wouldn't prefer to
>> have a formal way of saying goodbye and of celebrating your life?
>
> Well no, I'm not sure of course. But it seems likely that they will
> feel the way I do about having to go to *anyone's* funeral, based on
> their reactions to the few funerals they have been to. So the least I
> can do for them, assuming they'll be sad, is not add further burdens
> for them such as arranging a funeral.
<snip>

Feel free to tell me it's none of my business (because it really *is*
none of my business), but maybe you should ask them. Or tell them
that you don't care about what happens after your death so they
should have a funeral or not, as they think fit. Saying that on no
account should you have a funeral is pretty muh forcing them to
comply whatever their feelings on the matter. The fact that they
don't like going to funerals doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't
feel better for having held one for you. Formal procedures for
dealing with grief can often be helpful in allowing people to come
to terms with what's happened. I do know some people who
didn't go to parents or grandparents funerals because they were
thought to be too young to cope, and who have the nagging
feeling that they never said goodbye properly.

Diane L. (butting out now) :-)
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299907 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 15:41
Torak  
Lesley Weston wrote:
> in article 1152973117.514211.111870 [at] s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, Torak at
> > Lesley Weston wrote:
> >> in article 1152886587.454821.68250 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, Torak at
> >>>
> <snip>
>
> >>> I don't think it's worth the risk
> >>> to Mormor just for the sake of consoling the relatives. Would a nice
> >>> bunch of Gran's favourite flowers and a card be appropriate instead?
> >>>
> >> That seems reasonable. She would surely understand, especially if you write
> >> something nice and quite long in the card.
> >
> > Oh, I have no doubt that she would understand. Besides, I think she's
> > past caring at this stage.
> >
> >> I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather.
> >
> > Well, he's fairly upset, but I think he'll pull through. He was
> > apparently quite upset that he wasn't with her at the hospital when she
> > died.
> >
> Oh dear! I am so sorry; I'd just read the bit where someone confused your
> Gran with your Mormor, so I got even more confused. What I actually mean, of
> course, is that I think your grandfather would understand about the flowers
> and the card, and that I am sorry to hear about your grandmother. I hope my
> stupid mistake didn't cause you any distress.

Oh, don't worry - I think the thing that bothers me most about her
death is that I'm hardly bothered at all. In fact, when I heard the
news, I just nodded and said "Yup." I don't think it came as any
surprise to any of us, but I had been expecting a bit of a reaction.

It's a pity she's dead, and I'll miss her, but hey - she had a good
long innings, and she's probably better off than in the condition she
was in before she died. Before she lost the ability to speak she was
apparently saying that she didn't like being in the home, she didn't
like being so dependent on other people, and so on. So yes, it's sad -
but it's not tragic.

People live, people die. It's just when people convince themselves that
they won't that things get sad. You just have to treat every year as a
bonus rather than an entitlement.
Re: [I] Funerals, was Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299941 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 20:13
Lesley Weston  
in article 4hu9b3F19nlrU1 [at] individual.net, Diane L at
dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com wrote on 16/07/2006 12:48 AM:

> Lesley Weston wrote:
>> in article 4hrrm8F10f52U1 [at] individual.net, Diane L at
>> dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com wrote on 15/07/2006 2:43 AM:
>>
>>> Lesley Weston wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> I've given instructions to everybody who might need them that on no
>>>> account am I to have a funeral - just get rid of the waste in
>>>> whatever way causes the least trouble, since I will no longer exist
>>>> to know or care about it.
>>>
>>> But funerals are for the living, not for the dead. Of course, you
>>> know your own family best, but are you sure they wouldn't prefer to
>>> have a formal way of saying goodbye and of celebrating your life?
>>
>> Well no, I'm not sure of course. But it seems likely that they will
>> feel the way I do about having to go to *anyone's* funeral, based on
>> their reactions to the few funerals they have been to. So the least I
>> can do for them, assuming they'll be sad, is not add further burdens
>> for them such as arranging a funeral.
> <snip>
>
> Feel free to tell me it's none of my business (because it really *is*
> none of my business),

Maybe not, but if everybody minded their own business, life and afp would
get awfully boring.

> but maybe you should ask them. Or tell them
> that you don't care about what happens after your death so they
> should have a funeral or not, as they think fit.

You could be right. I think I will ask them, but not until well after my
son's wedding in two weeks' time. Initially, I issued my declaration after
my mother's funeral; she had specifically said she didn't want it but it
happened anyway. I found it a horrible experience, and my concern was that I
should not be the cause of something so nasty for anyone and especially not
for the people I love.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299952 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 20:49
Lesley Weston  
in article 1153057298.651724.24180 [at] b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, Torak at
awmperry [at] gmail.com wrote on 16/07/2006 6:41 AM:

<snip>

> It's a pity she's dead, and I'll miss her, but hey - she had a good
> long innings, and she's probably better off than in the condition she
> was in before she died. Before she lost the ability to speak she was
> apparently saying that she didn't like being in the home, she didn't
> like being so dependent on other people, and so on. So yes, it's sad -
> but it's not tragic.
>
> People live, people die. It's just when people convince themselves that
> they won't that things get sad. You just have to treat every year as a
> bonus rather than an entitlement.

That seems like a pretty good reaction.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #299979 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 22:34
matt  
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:41:38 -0700, Torak wrote:

> Oh, don't worry - I think the thing that bothers me most about her death
> is that I'm hardly bothered at all. In fact, when I heard the news, I just
> nodded and said "Yup." I don't think it came as any surprise to any of us,
> but I had been expecting a bit of a reaction.

I feel really guilty when people tell me someone's died. I feel I should
be pitying the dead, but that doesn't make sense to me.

People dying of old age hardly affects me. A friend of my sister's died
when he was 18[1], when I'm reminded of him (generally I catch sight of
his name on websites/blogs) it's different. But I don't know how to
describe it. Perhaps a sense of an un-lived future, containing lots of
could-have-happends.

--
Matt

[1] Didn't look when stepping out into the road
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #301439 ] Di, 18 Juli 2006 14:32
Julian Hall  
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:34:18 +0100, Matt wrote:

> People dying of old age hardly affects me.

The Grim Reaper has been looking over my shoulder since I was six. That's
when I first learned a friend at school wouldn't be coming back.

In the last 30 years at various times friends have passed away. In some
ways - well easier is the wrong word but 'familarity breeds contempt' is
too harsh a phrase - I suppose I'm more accustomed to loss than I really
ought to be at my age.

*wry smile* Maybe that's why I like the Death character in TP. It's like
seeing an old friend.
--
Kind regards,

Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
Re: Oracle - clinical microbiology, or something [message #301444 ] Di, 18 Juli 2006 14:50
Menno Flexor Willemse  
Hello World,

CCA wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know what "Claustrophidicum Difficile" is? (Allowing for
> > spelling - transcribed phonetically over the phone by Mamma)
>
> As far as I know, it's an infection they've been trying to get rid of
> from hospitals, which causes (among other things, probably) bad
> diorrehoea. I may have spelled that wrongly. Extremely hard to kill
> off, requiring steam-cleaning.

Sounds to me like a wonderful opportunity to fumigate your relatives.

Cheers,
Menno
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